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	<title>Comments on: CLIMATE EXTREMIST SAVAGELY ATTACKS NYT&#8217;S REVKIN</title>
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		<title>By: Max Moehs</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1582</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Moehs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tom- Thank you for your reply. In answer to your question no I do not think Andrew Revkin is evil. I have read stories of his that are well written. I believe the story we are talking about-comparing Will and Gore a very weak effort on Revkin's part. Let me ask you another question: do you really want to characterize vigorous verbal criticism of Revkin's poor quality article as "going to war against Revkin"? Is Revkin really that thin-skinned? You ask the question what do people hope to gain by criticizing Revkin-I'll tell you: how about an apology to Gore and how about better quality reporting in the future-that would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tom- Thank you for your reply. In answer to your question no I do not think Andrew Revkin is evil. I have read stories of his that are well written. I believe the story we are talking about-comparing Will and Gore a very weak effort on Revkin&#8217;s part. Let me ask you another question: do you really want to characterize vigorous verbal criticism of Revkin&#8217;s poor quality article as &#8220;going to war against Revkin&#8221;? Is Revkin really that thin-skinned? You ask the question what do people hope to gain by criticizing Revkin-I&#8217;ll tell you: how about an apology to Gore and how about better quality reporting in the future-that would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max:

I'm not sure what gave you the false impression that I am "not disturbed" by Will's columns. I've criticized them severely many times in this space, and so have many of my colleagues, whose work I've referenced. I am reacting to the criticism leveled at Andrew Revkin, which has ballooned completely out of proportion to any error of false balance he may have made. (Let me ask you Max: Do you believe that he is "evil," as Michael Tobis, a climate scientist at the University of Texas, has repeatedly said?) 

From the beginning, I have argued that Revkin's work should be judged in its totality, and I firmly believe that any fair critique would conclude that no reporter has done more to raise public awareness of climate issues than Andrew Revkin. So in blog postings and comments on others' blogs I have asked again and again what people hope to gain by going to war against Andrew Revkin. I've never gotten an answer. 

That in itself is my answer: This isn't really about rational discourse and solving one of the most vexing problems humanity has ever faced. It's about posturing, emotion, extremism, and viewing anyone who disagrees with you as a demon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what gave you the false impression that I am &#8220;not disturbed&#8221; by Will&#8217;s columns. I&#8217;ve criticized them severely many times in this space, and so have many of my colleagues, whose work I&#8217;ve referenced. I am reacting to the criticism leveled at Andrew Revkin, which has ballooned completely out of proportion to any error of false balance he may have made. (Let me ask you Max: Do you believe that he is &#8220;evil,&#8221; as Michael Tobis, a climate scientist at the University of Texas, has repeatedly said?) </p>
<p>From the beginning, I have argued that Revkin&#8217;s work should be judged in its totality, and I firmly believe that any fair critique would conclude that no reporter has done more to raise public awareness of climate issues than Andrew Revkin. So in blog postings and comments on others&#8217; blogs I have asked again and again what people hope to gain by going to war against Andrew Revkin. I&#8217;ve never gotten an answer. </p>
<p>That in itself is my answer: This isn&#8217;t really about rational discourse and solving one of the most vexing problems humanity has ever faced. It&#8217;s about posturing, emotion, extremism, and viewing anyone who disagrees with you as a demon.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Moehs</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1566</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Moehs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry- If Andy Revkin is one of the best climate journalists, this is another example of the sorry state of print journalism. Never once does Mr Revkin explain or justify his false equivalence of George Will's uninformed and false statements about Global Warming with Gore's scientifically accurate presentations. Let me ask you this-who is better known in the wider world George Will or Joe Romm? And yet you write about Will's column:"The column is untrue almost in its entirety." But because Will is spouting falsehoods civilly you are not disturbed. A well known respected columnist with a large readership disseminates falsehoods and it bothers you not at all-and you spend all of your energy criticizing Joe Romm who vigorously attacks Will and his enablers. Get a grip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry- If Andy Revkin is one of the best climate journalists, this is another example of the sorry state of print journalism. Never once does Mr Revkin explain or justify his false equivalence of George Will&#8217;s uninformed and false statements about Global Warming with Gore&#8217;s scientifically accurate presentations. Let me ask you this-who is better known in the wider world George Will or Joe Romm? And yet you write about Will&#8217;s column:&#8221;The column is untrue almost in its entirety.&#8221; But because Will is spouting falsehoods civilly you are not disturbed. A well known respected columnist with a large readership disseminates falsehoods and it bothers you not at all-and you spend all of your energy criticizing Joe Romm who vigorously attacks Will and his enablers. Get a grip!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1544</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad: 

Actually, nothing in Romm's 2,000-word attack on Revkin was "parody." He was deadly serious, and what he said impugned the reputation of a dear friend and one of the best journalists in America.

I'm really not sure what Romm and his supporters hope to accomplish by savaging Andy. As someone who has covered climate change since 1982, and who has known Andy for that same period of time, I'm truly astounded and thoroughly disgusted.

If you want to be civil and play fair, I'll be the first to support you even if I disagree with you. If you want to defame someone, particularly a friend, I will fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad: </p>
<p>Actually, nothing in Romm&#8217;s 2,000-word attack on Revkin was &#8220;parody.&#8221; He was deadly serious, and what he said impugned the reputation of a dear friend and one of the best journalists in America.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure what Romm and his supporters hope to accomplish by savaging Andy. As someone who has covered climate change since 1982, and who has known Andy for that same period of time, I&#8217;m truly astounded and thoroughly disgusted.</p>
<p>If you want to be civil and play fair, I&#8217;ll be the first to support you even if I disagree with you. If you want to defame someone, particularly a friend, I will fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Yulsman parodies Romm's parody of Revkin's tactics to criticize Romm. This is getting silly. Tom, you can't have it both ways -- if you want everyone to be civil, then you don't get to use attention-getting parody headlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Yulsman parodies Romm&#8217;s parody of Revkin&#8217;s tactics to criticize Romm. This is getting silly. Tom, you can&#8217;t have it both ways &#8212; if you want everyone to be civil, then you don&#8217;t get to use attention-getting parody headlines.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:

You say, "Your headline proves my point. Why is it okay for you to make such a exaggerated headline, which is apparently aimed at showing I’m guilty of what I accuse others of doing, but not okay for me to point out that Revkin is guilty of what he accuses others of doing."

I have nothing wrong with taking a journalist to task for errors. But I believe it should be done civilly, and with respect. Those two words did not come to mind when I read your nearly 2,000 word post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;Your headline proves my point. Why is it okay for you to make such a exaggerated headline, which is apparently aimed at showing I’m guilty of what I accuse others of doing, but not okay for me to point out that Revkin is guilty of what he accuses others of doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have nothing wrong with taking a journalist to task for errors. But I believe it should be done civilly, and with respect. Those two words did not come to mind when I read your nearly 2,000 word post.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: 

Perhaps you just read the headline and not the first paragraph. The headline is a PARODY of Romm's approach in his own hyberbolic attacks on Andy Revkin, including a wholly unwarranted and fallacious attack on his journalistic integrity.

Revkin may have made a mistake, his coverage overall may not be perfect, and fair, civil criticism certainly would be well within bounds. But he does deserve to be treated with respect. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be Romm's style.

In fact, that style can be so laughably over the top that it simply invites parody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: </p>
<p>Perhaps you just read the headline and not the first paragraph. The headline is a PARODY of Romm&#8217;s approach in his own hyberbolic attacks on Andy Revkin, including a wholly unwarranted and fallacious attack on his journalistic integrity.</p>
<p>Revkin may have made a mistake, his coverage overall may not be perfect, and fair, civil criticism certainly would be well within bounds. But he does deserve to be treated with respect. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be Romm&#8217;s style.</p>
<p>In fact, that style can be so laughably over the top that it simply invites parody.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Kaulbars</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Kaulbars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lost me at the title ... "extremist"? Romm? Hopefully this blog will someday become as respected and reliable for good, solid information as Climate Progress, but not if you continue in that vein. Not that anyone is always right, but for me the sensational headline undermines any thought that the post might be worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lost me at the title &#8230; &#8220;extremist&#8221;? Romm? Hopefully this blog will someday become as respected and reliable for good, solid information as Climate Progress, but not if you continue in that vein. Not that anyone is always right, but for me the sensational headline undermines any thought that the post might be worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Passion of the Scold</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Passion of the Scold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bloggers, such as my colleague Tom Yulsman, are aghast at Romm&#8217;s nasty and crude tone, while others, like David Roberts at Grist, are perhaps [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bloggers, such as my colleague Tom Yulsman, are aghast at Romm&#8217;s nasty and crude tone, while others, like David Roberts at Grist, are perhaps [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1161&cpage=1#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pielke, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt Romm will come back here to explain that once he was shown to be wrong, he changed his post.

He would not, however, allow the comment that showed he was wrong to appear on his blog, which Tom posted in the update above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt Romm will come back here to explain that once he was shown to be wrong, he changed his post.</p>
<p>He would not, however, allow the comment that showed he was wrong to appear on his blog, which Tom posted in the update above.</p>
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