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	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rabett: "The real story here, as has been said, is how did what Tobis wrote make it’s way from the comments in In It For the Gold (that’s sarcastic in case you have not figured it out) to Prometheus to Mark Morano to Drudge to Glenn Beck, and who was editing, omitting and pushing what to whom in general."

In yet another example of a right-wing, manufactured story Roger Pielke Jr. is there.

Rabett: "A real reporter would be working their way up that tree."

Mr. Yulsman, wanna' give this project the old college try?  This time, don't bury your lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabett: &#8220;The real story here, as has been said, is how did what Tobis wrote make it’s way from the comments in In It For the Gold (that’s sarcastic in case you have not figured it out) to Prometheus to Mark Morano to Drudge to Glenn Beck, and who was editing, omitting and pushing what to whom in general.&#8221;</p>
<p>In yet another example of a right-wing, manufactured story Roger Pielke Jr. is there.</p>
<p>Rabett: &#8220;A real reporter would be working their way up that tree.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr. Yulsman, wanna&#8217; give this project the old college try?  This time, don&#8217;t bury your lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1607</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you should update your post wrt Prof. Zimmerman's imagination of what Hansen said?  Do you perhaps, by some majic, understand why people blew up at such behavior on Zimmerman's part?  Do you understand why, by leaving your story uncorrected you perpetuate a false story?

The Kloor post was a crock.  Koor told a long fairy tale about Cronon so he could bash Michael Tobis and Al Gore, but  when challenged by Steve Bloom, begged off that he was "not really interested in rehashing the particulars of the Cronon/wilderness debate".  If he was not really interested, why did he discuss it at length.  If Koor's understanding of Cronon was nonsense, that means his understanding of Tobis is also nonsense.  Eli can live with that.

The real story here, as has been said, is how did what Tobis wrote make it's way from the comments in In It For the Gold (that's sarcastic in case you have not figured it out) to Prometheus to Mark Morano to Drudge to Glenn Beck, and who was editing, omitting and pushing what to whom in general.

A real reporter would be working their way up that tree.  

You might also ask Prof. Zimmerman who fed him the information about what Hansen was supposed to have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should update your post wrt Prof. Zimmerman&#8217;s imagination of what Hansen said?  Do you perhaps, by some majic, understand why people blew up at such behavior on Zimmerman&#8217;s part?  Do you understand why, by leaving your story uncorrected you perpetuate a false story?</p>
<p>The Kloor post was a crock.  Koor told a long fairy tale about Cronon so he could bash Michael Tobis and Al Gore, but  when challenged by Steve Bloom, begged off that he was &#8220;not really interested in rehashing the particulars of the Cronon/wilderness debate&#8221;.  If he was not really interested, why did he discuss it at length.  If Koor&#8217;s understanding of Cronon was nonsense, that means his understanding of Tobis is also nonsense.  Eli can live with that.</p>
<p>The real story here, as has been said, is how did what Tobis wrote make it&#8217;s way from the comments in In It For the Gold (that&#8217;s sarcastic in case you have not figured it out) to Prometheus to Mark Morano to Drudge to Glenn Beck, and who was editing, omitting and pushing what to whom in general.</p>
<p>A real reporter would be working their way up that tree.  </p>
<p>You might also ask Prof. Zimmerman who fed him the information about what Hansen was supposed to have said.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1604</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for digging these up! I wouldn't have known where to find the Fleck and Kloor posts, and they're very educational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for digging these up! I wouldn&#8217;t have known where to find the Fleck and Kloor posts, and they&#8217;re very educational.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1596</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Yulsman wrote, "Perhaps I should be more critical than I am of my colleagues."

Tom, that should have been your pull quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Yulsman wrote, &#8220;Perhaps I should be more critical than I am of my colleagues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tom, that should have been your pull quote.</p>
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		<title>By: The Yale Forum on Climate Change &#38; The Media &#187; Two Weeks of Intense Climate DialogueOver Columnist George Will&#8217;s Flawed Column</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>The Yale Forum on Climate Change &#38; The Media &#187; Two Weeks of Intense Climate DialogueOver Columnist George Will&#8217;s Flawed Column</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CEJournal 3/3/09 Tom Yulsman blog, &#8220;The Believers&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CEJournal 3/3/09 Tom Yulsman blog, &#8220;The Believers&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Thinks Break has the &lt;a href="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/honest-broker-at-prometheus-attacks-hansen-over-claim-he-never-makes/" rel="nofollow"&gt;antidote&lt;/a&gt;
to the Zimmerman post you recommended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Thinks Break has the <a href="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/honest-broker-at-prometheus-attacks-hansen-over-claim-he-never-makes/" rel="nofollow">antidote</a><br />
to the Zimmerman post you recommended.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

I have to admit to exhaustion on this issue, so I'm not sure I'll say anything coherent right now, but I'll try....

I have been reacting primarily to the tone of what was said about both Andy and Roger, and the attitude of the people who said it. Perhaps I should be more critical than I am of my colleagues. I'll let others judge. But I don't think calling Andy "evil" accomplishes anything. Nor do I think defaming Roger Pielke, Jr. by implying his research is a crock because of his alleged "ties to right wing corporate America" is ethical or advances the ball. If you've got a problem with what Andy wrote, and Roger's role in the climate change debates, fine. State your case. Use some evidence. Be rational and reasonable. But also try to remain open to other arguments. You might learn something. And most important, keep your eyes on advancing the ball, not tearing people down for the sake of vein-popping, blogospheric ego gratification.  

But what do I know? I'm a naive old fogey of an ink-stained wretch (who at 53 can nonetheless run a mile in 5:30 at altitude — wow, I finally found a way to brag about that!) who doesn't seem to understand that our children's future is at stake. I know, I know, I need to stop tut tutting, get over this desire for decorum and decency and get with the damn program. My goodness, this is the blogosphere. What was I thinking?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>I have to admit to exhaustion on this issue, so I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll say anything coherent right now, but I&#8217;ll try&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have been reacting primarily to the tone of what was said about both Andy and Roger, and the attitude of the people who said it. Perhaps I should be more critical than I am of my colleagues. I&#8217;ll let others judge. But I don&#8217;t think calling Andy &#8220;evil&#8221; accomplishes anything. Nor do I think defaming Roger Pielke, Jr. by implying his research is a crock because of his alleged &#8220;ties to right wing corporate America&#8221; is ethical or advances the ball. If you&#8217;ve got a problem with what Andy wrote, and Roger&#8217;s role in the climate change debates, fine. State your case. Use some evidence. Be rational and reasonable. But also try to remain open to other arguments. You might learn something. And most important, keep your eyes on advancing the ball, not tearing people down for the sake of vein-popping, blogospheric ego gratification.  </p>
<p>But what do I know? I&#8217;m a naive old fogey of an ink-stained wretch (who at 53 can nonetheless run a mile in 5:30 at altitude — wow, I finally found a way to brag about that!) who doesn&#8217;t seem to understand that our children&#8217;s future is at stake. I know, I know, I need to stop tut tutting, get over this desire for decorum and decency and get with the damn program. My goodness, this is the blogosphere. What was I thinking?!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a speck of criticism or concern re RP Jr., Tom?  It's as if the unique (for someone in his role) response he's engendered from numerous scientists over a course of years somehow just flew down from Olympus, unbidden.   

Just for the record, several journalist bloggers weighed in with criticism of the Revkin story, e.g. Chris Mooney and James Hrynyshyn.  That they did so points up just what an aberration it was relative to Andy's body of work.  I suspect he got the message.  OTOH it's entirely possible that an editor was at fault, and that Andy had to throw in the Gore material to get the Will story approved.  If so, he should have stuck to blogging about it.    

The Zimmerman post seems to be on hiatus, BTW.  Did he really use it to go after Hansen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a speck of criticism or concern re RP Jr., Tom?  It&#8217;s as if the unique (for someone in his role) response he&#8217;s engendered from numerous scientists over a course of years somehow just flew down from Olympus, unbidden.   </p>
<p>Just for the record, several journalist bloggers weighed in with criticism of the Revkin story, e.g. Chris Mooney and James Hrynyshyn.  That they did so points up just what an aberration it was relative to Andy&#8217;s body of work.  I suspect he got the message.  OTOH it&#8217;s entirely possible that an editor was at fault, and that Andy had to throw in the Gore material to get the Will story approved.  If so, he should have stuck to blogging about it.    </p>
<p>The Zimmerman post seems to be on hiatus, BTW.  Did he really use it to go after Hansen?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started the day with a book review. Now I'm going to end it the same way, with reference to &lt;a href=http://ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604401795015329.html rel="nofollow"&gt;Jay Winik's review of "Scandal &#038; Civility" by Marcus Daniel&lt;/a&gt; in the Wall Street Journal. The book is a detailed study of the American press in the 1790s. After reading Winik's review, I'm thinking that the blogosphere may be rough and tumble today, but it's nothing compared to what my journalistic forbears were involved in. 

During the period after the Revolutionary War, "fiercely contending political parties" rose up, Winik writes. That combined with geopolitical intrigues involving the British and the French, and a bitterly divided country meant that "the very survival of the nation was at risk." (Okay, this is starting to sound uncomfortably familiar.)

Winik continues: "And what role did newspapers play? A profound one. As Mr. Daniel amply shows, they stoked debate, with abandon as well as with a mean-spiritedness and partisan passion that make today's scuffles seem tame by comparison." 

After reading Winik's description of the book, I came away thinking that today's bloggers sound very much like the newspaper journalists of yesteryear. For more details, check out the review. It puts the Will v Gore v Revkin v Pielke kerfuffle into perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started the day with a book review. Now I&#8217;m going to end it the same way, with reference to <a href=http://ttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604401795015329.html rel="nofollow">Jay Winik&#8217;s review of &#8220;Scandal &#038; Civility&#8221; by Marcus Daniel</a> in the Wall Street Journal. The book is a detailed study of the American press in the 1790s. After reading Winik&#8217;s review, I&#8217;m thinking that the blogosphere may be rough and tumble today, but it&#8217;s nothing compared to what my journalistic forbears were involved in. </p>
<p>During the period after the Revolutionary War, &#8220;fiercely contending political parties&#8221; rose up, Winik writes. That combined with geopolitical intrigues involving the British and the French, and a bitterly divided country meant that &#8220;the very survival of the nation was at risk.&#8221; (Okay, this is starting to sound uncomfortably familiar.)</p>
<p>Winik continues: &#8220;And what role did newspapers play? A profound one. As Mr. Daniel amply shows, they stoked debate, with abandon as well as with a mean-spiritedness and partisan passion that make today&#8217;s scuffles seem tame by comparison.&#8221; </p>
<p>After reading Winik&#8217;s description of the book, I came away thinking that today&#8217;s bloggers sound very much like the newspaper journalists of yesteryear. For more details, check out the review. It puts the Will v Gore v Revkin v Pielke kerfuffle into perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Ward</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=1209&cpage=1#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a quick response, Tom.  I certainly agree there are diamonds in those hills of rhetoric and, in some cases, hate over the past two weeks. Finding them has been a delight, as you've noted. A bloody ugly process, for sure, and perhaps -- just perhaps -- worth the effort in the end, albeit in only incremental ways, as is the case with so much else with this danged issue. Thanks for pointing the high beams to the occasional gems in this morass. Now...back to all the other work that has gone awaiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a quick response, Tom.  I certainly agree there are diamonds in those hills of rhetoric and, in some cases, hate over the past two weeks. Finding them has been a delight, as you&#8217;ve noted. A bloody ugly process, for sure, and perhaps &#8212; just perhaps &#8212; worth the effort in the end, albeit in only incremental ways, as is the case with so much else with this danged issue. Thanks for pointing the high beams to the occasional gems in this morass. Now&#8230;back to all the other work that has gone awaiting.</p>
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