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	<title>Comments on: Climate change &#8220;skeptic&#8221; vs &#8220;denier&#8221;: call me &#8220;INSANE&#8221;!</title>
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		<title>By: Byron Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4618&#038;cpage=1#comment-8587</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Various sceptic societies have objected to those who deny the existence or origin or threat of anthropogenic climate change using the label &quot;sceptic&quot; since a large number of them have demonstrated little or no interest in evidence or rationality.

The claim that &quot;denier&quot; always has connotations of the Holocaust is a word game used to put an accurate label off limits. The term has been used for hundreds of years, well before the Holocaust, and continues to be used in a wide variety of contexts without always implying a reference to twentieth century atrocities in Europe. I have no problem using a good descriptive word when the boot fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Various sceptic societies have objected to those who deny the existence or origin or threat of anthropogenic climate change using the label &#8220;sceptic&#8221; since a large number of them have demonstrated little or no interest in evidence or rationality.</p>
<p>The claim that &#8220;denier&#8221; always has connotations of the Holocaust is a word game used to put an accurate label off limits. The term has been used for hundreds of years, well before the Holocaust, and continues to be used in a wide variety of contexts without always implying a reference to twentieth century atrocities in Europe. I have no problem using a good descriptive word when the boot fits.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I settled on fake skeptics, after a brief whirl with pseudo-skeptic (wanted to keep it in plain English.

But accepting the premise that denier is a holocaust reference is to play their game.  They do it to get sympathy and point away from the subject matter.  The dictionary definition of denier is quite accurate, and if it were not PC to accede to their demands, the fake skeptics could perfectly well be named deniers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I settled on fake skeptics, after a brief whirl with pseudo-skeptic (wanted to keep it in plain English.</p>
<p>But accepting the premise that denier is a holocaust reference is to play their game.  They do it to get sympathy and point away from the subject matter.  The dictionary definition of denier is quite accurate, and if it were not PC to accede to their demands, the fake skeptics could perfectly well be named deniers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Rabett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Rabett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 03:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to oblige.

If you want to get serious, think about how this is another attempt to jimmy the Overton window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to oblige.</p>
<p>If you want to get serious, think about how this is another attempt to jimmy the Overton window.</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not intended to raise a ruckus, i would suggest using labels that fit the circumstances and the personages.  There are certainly skeptics who challenge any and all near absolutes, but are not relativists.  There are clearly deniers that will pass on to their beloved beliefs, denying that there is any science whatsoever that trumps their gods.  There are contrarians who protest that what the science says is just not sufficient enough to warrant legislative change or to act at all.  There are fence-sitters, who feel most comfortable trying to balance themselves with positions reflecting they understands both sides of the discourse, but completely unwilling to actually hold an actual position.  And of course there are buffoons, like Monckton, who exist unto a category amongst themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not intended to raise a ruckus, i would suggest using labels that fit the circumstances and the personages.  There are certainly skeptics who challenge any and all near absolutes, but are not relativists.  There are clearly deniers that will pass on to their beloved beliefs, denying that there is any science whatsoever that trumps their gods.  There are contrarians who protest that what the science says is just not sufficient enough to warrant legislative change or to act at all.  There are fence-sitters, who feel most comfortable trying to balance themselves with positions reflecting they understands both sides of the discourse, but completely unwilling to actually hold an actual position.  And of course there are buffoons, like Monckton, who exist unto a category amongst themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks Brian! This is very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Brian! This is very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my research at the School of Journalism and Mass Communication at CU Boulder on how media are framing climate-change policy, I came across this very subject last night, by way of a Letter to the Editor by Max Boykoff and Saffron O&#039;Neill (published in &quot;Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences&quot;). Hope it helps!

Climate denier, skeptic, or contrarian?
Assigning credibility or expertise is a fraught issue, particularly in a wicked phenomenon like climate change—as Anderegg et al. (1) discussed in a recent issue of PNAS. However, their analysis of expert credibility into two distinct “convinced” and “unconvinced” camps and the lack of nuance in defining the terms “climate deniers,” “skeptics,” and “contrarians” both oversimplify and increase polarization within the climate debate.

Unlike contrarian or skeptic, the term climate denier is listed in their key terms. Using the language of denialism brings a moralistic tone into the climate change debate that we would do well to avoid. Further, labeling views as denialist has the potential to inappropriately link such views with Holocaust denial.
The article then uses the terminology “skeptic/contrarian” throughout. However, skepticism forms an integral part of the scientific method, and, thus, the term is frequently misapplied in such phrases as “climate change skeptic.” Contrarianism, on the other hand, implies a rather different perspective on anthropogenic climate change.

McCright (2) defines climate contrarians to be those who vocally challenge what they see as a false consensus of mainstream climate science through critical attacks on climate science and eminent climate scientists, often with substantial financial support from fossil fuels industry organizations and conservative think tanks. We expand on the connections between claims making and funding to also include ideological motives behind criticizing and dismissing aspects of climate change science.

Importantly, this definition of contrarian specifically identifies those who critically and vocally attack climate science—those who Anderegg et al. (1) indiscriminately identify as skeptics, contrarians, and deniers. It does not include individuals who are thus far unconvinced by the science (due, in part, to the
voracious media coverage garnered by climate contrarians as identified above) or individuals who are unconvinced by proposed solutions.

The use of the terms skeptic, denier, or contrarian is necessarily subject-, issue-, context-, and intervention-dependent. Blanket labeling of heterogeneous views under one of these headings has been shown to do little to further considerations of climate science and policy (3). Continued indiscriminate use
of the terms will further polarize views on climate change, reduce media coverage to tit-for-tat finger-pointing, and do little to advance the unsteady relationship among climate science,
society, and policy.

Saffron J. O’Neilla,1 and Max Boykoff b
aDepartment of Resource Management and Geography, University
of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia; and bCenter for Science
and Technology Policy Research, University of Colorado, Boulder,
CO 80309-0488
1. Anderegg WRL, Prall JW, Harold J, Schneider SH (2010) Expert credibility in climate
change. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 107:12107–12109.
2. McCright AM (2007) Creating a Climate for Change: Communicating Climate Change
and Facilitating Social Change, eds Moser SC, Dilling L (Cambridge Univ Press, New
York), pp 200–212.
3. Boykoff M (2008) The real swindle. Nat Rep Clim Change 2:31–32.
Author contributions: S.J.O. and M.B. wrote the paper.
The authors declare no conflict of interest.
1To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: sjoneill@unimelb.edu.au.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my research at the School of Journalism and Mass Communication at CU Boulder on how media are framing climate-change policy, I came across this very subject last night, by way of a Letter to the Editor by Max Boykoff and Saffron O&#8217;Neill (published in &#8220;Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences&#8221;). Hope it helps!</p>
<p>Climate denier, skeptic, or contrarian?<br />
Assigning credibility or expertise is a fraught issue, particularly in a wicked phenomenon like climate change—as Anderegg et al. (1) discussed in a recent issue of PNAS. However, their analysis of expert credibility into two distinct “convinced” and “unconvinced” camps and the lack of nuance in defining the terms “climate deniers,” “skeptics,” and “contrarians” both oversimplify and increase polarization within the climate debate.</p>
<p>Unlike contrarian or skeptic, the term climate denier is listed in their key terms. Using the language of denialism brings a moralistic tone into the climate change debate that we would do well to avoid. Further, labeling views as denialist has the potential to inappropriately link such views with Holocaust denial.<br />
The article then uses the terminology “skeptic/contrarian” throughout. However, skepticism forms an integral part of the scientific method, and, thus, the term is frequently misapplied in such phrases as “climate change skeptic.” Contrarianism, on the other hand, implies a rather different perspective on anthropogenic climate change.</p>
<p>McCright (2) defines climate contrarians to be those who vocally challenge what they see as a false consensus of mainstream climate science through critical attacks on climate science and eminent climate scientists, often with substantial financial support from fossil fuels industry organizations and conservative think tanks. We expand on the connections between claims making and funding to also include ideological motives behind criticizing and dismissing aspects of climate change science.</p>
<p>Importantly, this definition of contrarian specifically identifies those who critically and vocally attack climate science—those who Anderegg et al. (1) indiscriminately identify as skeptics, contrarians, and deniers. It does not include individuals who are thus far unconvinced by the science (due, in part, to the<br />
voracious media coverage garnered by climate contrarians as identified above) or individuals who are unconvinced by proposed solutions.</p>
<p>The use of the terms skeptic, denier, or contrarian is necessarily subject-, issue-, context-, and intervention-dependent. Blanket labeling of heterogeneous views under one of these headings has been shown to do little to further considerations of climate science and policy (3). Continued indiscriminate use<br />
of the terms will further polarize views on climate change, reduce media coverage to tit-for-tat finger-pointing, and do little to advance the unsteady relationship among climate science,<br />
society, and policy.</p>
<p>Saffron J. O’Neilla,1 and Max Boykoff b<br />
aDepartment of Resource Management and Geography, University<br />
of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia; and bCenter for Science<br />
and Technology Policy Research, University of Colorado, Boulder,<br />
CO 80309-0488<br />
1. Anderegg WRL, Prall JW, Harold J, Schneider SH (2010) Expert credibility in climate<br />
change. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 107:12107–12109.<br />
2. McCright AM (2007) Creating a Climate for Change: Communicating Climate Change<br />
and Facilitating Social Change, eds Moser SC, Dilling L (Cambridge Univ Press, New<br />
York), pp 200–212.<br />
3. Boykoff M (2008) The real swindle. Nat Rep Clim Change 2:31–32.<br />
Author contributions: S.J.O. and M.B. wrote the paper.<br />
The authors declare no conflict of interest.<br />
1To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: <a href="mailto:sjoneill@unimelb.edu.au">sjoneill@unimelb.edu.au</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Apparently I&#8217;m Supposed to Write a Blog Post About This : jfleck at inkstain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apparently I&#8217;m Supposed to Write a Blog Post About This : jfleck at inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 03:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fact that the question triggers endless argument (see Pielke, Kloor and Yulsman) suggests that either label, like &#8220;new&#8221; or &#8220;not new&#8221;, isn&#8217;t going to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Zulauf</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4618&#038;cpage=1#comment-8563</link>
		<dc:creator>John Zulauf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion also fail to include the nuance of skeptic and non-skeptic.  There are those that believe that AGW will cause all manner of unmanageble crisis and unhealable environmental damage, other believe adaptation will be less costly and the impact of the warming less difficult.  On the skeptic side there are those that believe that the world is warming do to direct CO2 effects, but that the feedbacks are negative, limiting the scope and risk to the climate minimal.  Other believe that CO2 has no meaningful effect, that the warming is entirely (or nearly entirely) natural with the correlation with CO2 either coincidental, or with reversed causality (i.e. warming driving CO2 and not the opposite), and other that don&#039;t believe that there is any meaningful warming, believing that the temperature record is invalidly adjusted.

When you add to this belief or disbelief in the plethora of specific claims (more storm, colder/warmer winters, 300K/year dead, CO2 and plant growth, malaria range)  the combonatorics (sp?) explode.

Given the range of opinions -- skeptic and non-skeptic, or denier and affirmer, or believer and heretic (c.f. Scientific American) are problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion also fail to include the nuance of skeptic and non-skeptic.  There are those that believe that AGW will cause all manner of unmanageble crisis and unhealable environmental damage, other believe adaptation will be less costly and the impact of the warming less difficult.  On the skeptic side there are those that believe that the world is warming do to direct CO2 effects, but that the feedbacks are negative, limiting the scope and risk to the climate minimal.  Other believe that CO2 has no meaningful effect, that the warming is entirely (or nearly entirely) natural with the correlation with CO2 either coincidental, or with reversed causality (i.e. warming driving CO2 and not the opposite), and other that don&#8217;t believe that there is any meaningful warming, believing that the temperature record is invalidly adjusted.</p>
<p>When you add to this belief or disbelief in the plethora of specific claims (more storm, colder/warmer winters, 300K/year dead, CO2 and plant growth, malaria range)  the combonatorics (sp?) explode.</p>
<p>Given the range of opinions &#8212; skeptic and non-skeptic, or denier and affirmer, or believer and heretic (c.f. Scientific American) are problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about ‘climate change rejecters’ or ‘climate change rejectionists’? This lacks the panache of ‘willful ignorants’, but it does at least withhold the heroic flavor of ‘contrarians’. It can be easily modified to ‘climate change science rejecter/rejectionist’, moreover, to clearly denote an individual who is not just skeptical of conclusions about climate change, but unwilling to entertain scientific reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about ‘climate change rejecters’ or ‘climate change rejectionists’? This lacks the panache of ‘willful ignorants’, but it does at least withhold the heroic flavor of ‘contrarians’. It can be easily modified to ‘climate change science rejecter/rejectionist’, moreover, to clearly denote an individual who is not just skeptical of conclusions about climate change, but unwilling to entertain scientific reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Insane&quot;, eh?  Well, RPJr is indeed prone to hyperbole (I left his place after he referred to me as &quot;incoherent&quot; for daring to suggest that a piece of climate legislation might actually have, gasp, more than one purpose - e.g., limiting CO2 AND increasing energy independence).  I don&#039;t like to use the term &quot;skeptic&quot; since what the WUWT crowd does gives real skeptics a bad rap (since, unlike real skeptics, many &quot;climate skeptics&quot; seem to be completely immune to having their views swayed by anything as irrelevant as the weight of scientific evidence, and virtually credulous when it comes to accepting any scrap of information, no matter how flimsy, that fits their own worldview).  

Anyway, I will repeat the substance of the argument I made at CAS, in favor of &quot;contrarian&quot; as rather more appropriate, based on the Skeptic&#039;s Dictionary (h/t Greenfyre), which defines “climate change deniers” (their term, not mine) thusly:

&quot;Climate change deniers are contrarians who challenge the evidence that human activities such as deforestation and human behaviors that result in more greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are causing changes in our planet’s climate that may prove devastating and irreversible. Contrarians pose as skeptics, refusing to accept consensus conclusions in science on the ground that there is still some uncertainty. True skeptics raise specific doubts about specific claims and do not try to debunk a whole area of science by an occasional error or by the general lack of absolute certainty, which is unattainable in any area of science.&quot;
http://skepdic.com/climatedeniers.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Insane&#8221;, eh?  Well, RPJr is indeed prone to hyperbole (I left his place after he referred to me as &#8220;incoherent&#8221; for daring to suggest that a piece of climate legislation might actually have, gasp, more than one purpose &#8211; e.g., limiting CO2 AND increasing energy independence).  I don&#8217;t like to use the term &#8220;skeptic&#8221; since what the WUWT crowd does gives real skeptics a bad rap (since, unlike real skeptics, many &#8220;climate skeptics&#8221; seem to be completely immune to having their views swayed by anything as irrelevant as the weight of scientific evidence, and virtually credulous when it comes to accepting any scrap of information, no matter how flimsy, that fits their own worldview).  </p>
<p>Anyway, I will repeat the substance of the argument I made at CAS, in favor of &#8220;contrarian&#8221; as rather more appropriate, based on the Skeptic&#8217;s Dictionary (h/t Greenfyre), which defines “climate change deniers” (their term, not mine) thusly:</p>
<p>&#8220;Climate change deniers are contrarians who challenge the evidence that human activities such as deforestation and human behaviors that result in more greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are causing changes in our planet’s climate that may prove devastating and irreversible. Contrarians pose as skeptics, refusing to accept consensus conclusions in science on the ground that there is still some uncertainty. True skeptics raise specific doubts about specific claims and do not try to debunk a whole area of science by an occasional error or by the general lack of absolute certainty, which is unattainable in any area of science.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://skepdic.com/climatedeniers.html" rel="nofollow">http://skepdic.com/climatedeniers.html</a></p>
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