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		<title>By: BlueRock</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueRock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Yulsman:

&gt; BlueRock: Breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out. Once you’ve calmed down...

Tom, why are you becoming so hysterically angry?! ;)

&gt; ...go back and actually read what I wrote...

I clearly did. You can tell that because I&#039;ve quoted you and pointed out glaring errors. Why have you ducked them? Is accuracy and honesty not important to you?

Perhaps you&#039;re referring to &quot;Let’s put aside the fact that Walsh probably didn’t write the “But they’re wrong” bit.&quot; This does not help you - the word &#039;wrong&#039; appears nowhere on the page you linked to.

&gt; ...what Greenfyre wrote...

&quot;Evisceration&quot; was too strong, I admit - but you really could do with taking a critical look at what you&#039;re writing - see my previous comment and Greenfyre&#039;s recommendation that &quot;the onus is on you to clarify, substantiate and/or retract.&quot;

&gt; Then we can have an honest debate.

For that to happen you would need to respond to the clear errors in your defensive piece that fails to portray the widespread failure of journalists to convey the threat and urgency of climate change.

&gt; My colleagues Max Boykoff and Roger Pielke, Jr. ...

You consider the perpetually not-quite-right Pielke Junior a &quot;colleague&quot;? Not a good admission for those of us who have a reasonable grasp of the climate science misinformers, e.g.:

* http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/28/the-lies-of-roger-pielke-jr/ 

* http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/08/another_pielke_train_wreck.php 

* http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/pielke_pity_party.php

&gt; Johnson did not elaborate, even after he was asked to clarify who he felt was part of the “cabal”...

How do you know Johnson saw the comment that followed his? You don&#039;t.

Also, your obvious attempt to portray Dr Romm as &quot;partisan&quot; and the &#039;other side of the same coin&#039; to (radio weather presenter) Watts is just ignorant nonsense.

Finally, your belief that you &quot;cover climate science in terms of risk, uncertainty, complexity, and nuance&quot; is actually your prejudices and ignorance of the science clouding what climate scientists are telling us. There are many, many clear, unequivocal calls to action from the planet&#039;s experts - here are just a few:

* The American Geophysical Union: &quot;The Earth&#039;s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system ... are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. ... Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities.&quot;

* American Physical Society: &quot;Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth&#039;s climate. ... The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.&quot; 

* The Geological Society of America: &quot;This position statement summarizes the strengthened basis for the conclusion that humans are a major factor responsible for recent global warming;...&quot;. 

* American Association for the Advancement of Science: &quot;The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.&quot;

- American Chemical Society: &quot;Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth&#039;s climate system is changing rapidly in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases and absorbing aerosol particles. There is very little room for doubt that observed climate trends are due to human activities. The threats are serious and action is urgently needed to mitigate the risks of climate change... The costs of unchecked climate change in economic loss, human misery, and loss of ecosystem services are likely to be enormous.&quot;

Many more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Your &quot;nuanced&quot; assessment of climate science is not superior to all of these scientific bodies and experts. If you are communicating anything other than the dire urgency or reducing carbon pollution, you are confused and failing the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Yulsman:</p>
<p>&gt; BlueRock: Breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out. Once you’ve calmed down&#8230;</p>
<p>Tom, why are you becoming so hysterically angry?! <img src='http://www.cejournal.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt; &#8230;go back and actually read what I wrote&#8230;</p>
<p>I clearly did. You can tell that because I&#8217;ve quoted you and pointed out glaring errors. Why have you ducked them? Is accuracy and honesty not important to you?</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re referring to &#8220;Let’s put aside the fact that Walsh probably didn’t write the “But they’re wrong” bit.&#8221; This does not help you &#8211; the word &#8216;wrong&#8217; appears nowhere on the page you linked to.</p>
<p>&gt; &#8230;what Greenfyre wrote&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Evisceration&#8221; was too strong, I admit &#8211; but you really could do with taking a critical look at what you&#8217;re writing &#8211; see my previous comment and Greenfyre&#8217;s recommendation that &#8220;the onus is on you to clarify, substantiate and/or retract.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt; Then we can have an honest debate.</p>
<p>For that to happen you would need to respond to the clear errors in your defensive piece that fails to portray the widespread failure of journalists to convey the threat and urgency of climate change.</p>
<p>&gt; My colleagues Max Boykoff and Roger Pielke, Jr. &#8230;</p>
<p>You consider the perpetually not-quite-right Pielke Junior a &#8220;colleague&#8221;? Not a good admission for those of us who have a reasonable grasp of the climate science misinformers, e.g.:</p>
<p>* <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/28/the-lies-of-roger-pielke-jr/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/28/the-lies-of-roger-pielke-jr/</a> </p>
<p>* <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/08/another_pielke_train_wreck.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/08/another_pielke_train_wreck.php</a> </p>
<p>* <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/pielke_pity_party.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/pielke_pity_party.php</a></p>
<p>&gt; Johnson did not elaborate, even after he was asked to clarify who he felt was part of the “cabal”&#8230;</p>
<p>How do you know Johnson saw the comment that followed his? You don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Also, your obvious attempt to portray Dr Romm as &#8220;partisan&#8221; and the &#8216;other side of the same coin&#8217; to (radio weather presenter) Watts is just ignorant nonsense.</p>
<p>Finally, your belief that you &#8220;cover climate science in terms of risk, uncertainty, complexity, and nuance&#8221; is actually your prejudices and ignorance of the science clouding what climate scientists are telling us. There are many, many clear, unequivocal calls to action from the planet&#8217;s experts &#8211; here are just a few:</p>
<p>* The American Geophysical Union: &#8220;The Earth&#8217;s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system &#8230; are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. &#8230; Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>* American Physical Society: &#8220;Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth&#8217;s climate. &#8230; The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.&#8221; </p>
<p>* The Geological Society of America: &#8220;This position statement summarizes the strengthened basis for the conclusion that humans are a major factor responsible for recent global warming;&#8230;&#8221;. </p>
<p>* American Association for the Advancement of Science: &#8220;The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.&#8221;</p>
<p>- American Chemical Society: &#8220;Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth&#8217;s climate system is changing rapidly in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases and absorbing aerosol particles. There is very little room for doubt that observed climate trends are due to human activities. The threats are serious and action is urgently needed to mitigate the risks of climate change&#8230; The costs of unchecked climate change in economic loss, human misery, and loss of ecosystem services are likely to be enormous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many more at: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change</a></p>
<p>Your &#8220;nuanced&#8221; assessment of climate science is not superior to all of these scientific bodies and experts. If you are communicating anything other than the dire urgency or reducing carbon pollution, you are confused and failing the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9191</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueRock: Breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out. Once you&#039;ve calmed down, go back and actually read what I wrote and also what Greenfyre wrote (as opposed to what you think we wrote). Then we can have an honest debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueRock: Breathe in, breathe out. Breathe in, breathe out. Once you&#8217;ve calmed down, go back and actually read what I wrote and also what Greenfyre wrote (as opposed to what you think we wrote). Then we can have an honest debate.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueRock</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9190</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueRock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Let’s put aside the fact that Walsh probably didn’t write the “But they’re wrong” bit.

It does not say that anywhere in Walsh&#039;s article. How could you miss that? It&#039;s just Watts doing what Watts always does: lie, twist and distort.

&gt; Let’s put aside the fact that in his post, Romm lists Anthony Watts as a journalist...

Romm: &quot;Anthony Watts does more than any person in the blogosphere to spread anti-scientific disinformation.  Although he was a TV weatherman, he isn’t a ‘journalist’...&quot;

So, your claim is 100% factually wrong. I note that in all of your rhetoric directed at Romm, you never actually give an example of where he is factually wrong.

Climate science journalism has, overall, been *atrocious* - and the sloppiness you have just demonstrated is an example of that.

You&#039;re probably not going to like the evisceration performed here: http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/climate-change-journalism-massacring-the-messengers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Let’s put aside the fact that Walsh probably didn’t write the “But they’re wrong” bit.</p>
<p>It does not say that anywhere in Walsh&#8217;s article. How could you miss that? It&#8217;s just Watts doing what Watts always does: lie, twist and distort.</p>
<p>&gt; Let’s put aside the fact that in his post, Romm lists Anthony Watts as a journalist&#8230;</p>
<p>Romm: &#8220;Anthony Watts does more than any person in the blogosphere to spread anti-scientific disinformation.  Although he was a TV weatherman, he isn’t a ‘journalist’&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So, your claim is 100% factually wrong. I note that in all of your rhetoric directed at Romm, you never actually give an example of where he is factually wrong.</p>
<p>Climate science journalism has, overall, been *atrocious* &#8211; and the sloppiness you have just demonstrated is an example of that.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably not going to like the evisceration performed here: <a href="http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/climate-change-journalism-massacring-the-messengers/" rel="nofollow">http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/climate-change-journalism-massacring-the-messengers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Climate change journalism: massacring the messengers &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9186</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate change journalism: massacring the messengers &#171; Greenfyre&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BPSDB Tom Yulsman at CEJ is upset. Apparently people are criticising media coverage of climate issues, leading him to ask &#8220;Environmental journalists: Are we really that awful?&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BPSDB Tom Yulsman at CEJ is upset. Apparently people are criticising media coverage of climate issues, leading him to ask &#8220;Environmental journalists: Are we really that awful?&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9113</link>
		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you enviro journalists are that bad and worse.</description>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9078</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s focus for a moment on the Bryan Walsh/Watts Up example as instructive.
You note that Walsh should be applauded for his &quot;careful and nuanced treatment of the subject.&quot; 
The subject, of course, is the fact that it&#039;s darn cold outside. 
It&#039;s important to know that Watts is up in arms because Time was never &quot;careful and nuanced&quot; about warm weather events.
The complaints about AGW reporting really fall into three categories and yes, the criticism is shifting:
From skeptics- You were an eager mouthpiece for every non-sense claim linking weather to climate, and now you wanna bash me for noting it&#039;s warm outside- and suddenly that&#039;s all &quot;nuance&quot; piling up on our streets?
From the Rommulans- Dude, you&#039;re an enviro reporter, we assume your on our side, get back with the program, this is politics!
From the scientists- our silence, in fact complicity, in the period several years ago when you trumpeted the wildest scenarios and most goofball weather/climate claims in no way prevents us from today criticizing you for failing at the time to highlight the caveats about uncertainty. In short, when we told you it would get warmer, we noted that it could just as well get colder in clause 4 of footnote 12 of each and every paper that we stuck behind a pay wall. It&#039;s not our fault you only read our press releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s focus for a moment on the Bryan Walsh/Watts Up example as instructive.<br />
You note that Walsh should be applauded for his &#8220;careful and nuanced treatment of the subject.&#8221;<br />
The subject, of course, is the fact that it&#8217;s darn cold outside.<br />
It&#8217;s important to know that Watts is up in arms because Time was never &#8220;careful and nuanced&#8221; about warm weather events.<br />
The complaints about AGW reporting really fall into three categories and yes, the criticism is shifting:<br />
From skeptics- You were an eager mouthpiece for every non-sense claim linking weather to climate, and now you wanna bash me for noting it&#8217;s warm outside- and suddenly that&#8217;s all &#8220;nuance&#8221; piling up on our streets?<br />
From the Rommulans- Dude, you&#8217;re an enviro reporter, we assume your on our side, get back with the program, this is politics!<br />
From the scientists- our silence, in fact complicity, in the period several years ago when you trumpeted the wildest scenarios and most goofball weather/climate claims in no way prevents us from today criticizing you for failing at the time to highlight the caveats about uncertainty. In short, when we told you it would get warmer, we noted that it could just as well get colder in clause 4 of footnote 12 of each and every paper that we stuck behind a pay wall. It&#8217;s not our fault you only read our press releases.</p>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Cry Me a River</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9063</link>
		<dc:creator>Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Cry Me a River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;blow the story&#8221; every single time they publish. That recently prompted Yulsman to ask: Are we really that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;blow the story&#8221; every single time they publish. That recently prompted Yulsman to ask: Are we really that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9041</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/01/forbes-rich-list-of-nonsense/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a post and thread&lt;/a&gt; that shows how the battle over environmental journalism is carried on by the flakes and fools such as Bell writing in Forbes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/01/forbes-rich-list-of-nonsense/" rel="nofollow">Here is a post and thread</a> that shows how the battle over environmental journalism is carried on by the flakes and fools such as Bell writing in Forbes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9039</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 22:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spyder: LOL! (But just so you know, I don&#039;t look anything like Rodney Dangerfield!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spyder: LOL! (But just so you know, I don&#8217;t look anything like Rodney Dangerfield!)</p>
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		<title>By: spyder</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=4757&#038;cpage=1#comment-9038</link>
		<dc:creator>spyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bow with respect, thanks for all of your continuing efforts.</description>
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