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		<title>By: Steve Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 10:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Humpty Dumpty strikes again.

Shorter RP Jr.:  &quot;Accepted can only mean accepted in the most limited sense, not accepted enough to do much about it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Humpty Dumpty strikes again.</p>
<p>Shorter RP Jr.:  &#8220;Accepted can only mean accepted in the most limited sense, not accepted enough to do much about it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pielke, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the article poorly argued, empty of data and relying on a few anecdotes. (How is that for a capsule review?;-) There is already a robust consensus among the public on the science of climate change, and has been for years.

When you write: &quot;Sherwood suggests that, as was the case with the other theories, anthropogenic warming will eventually become largely accepted throughout society. But will it come too late?&quot;

I wonder what you and Sherwood would define as &quot;largely accepted&quot; and what that would mean practically?  In my view the science already is &quot;largely accepted&quot; pretty much everywhere around the world (see TCF for data) ...

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the article poorly argued, empty of data and relying on a few anecdotes. (How is that for a capsule review?;-) There is already a robust consensus among the public on the science of climate change, and has been for years.</p>
<p>When you write: &#8220;Sherwood suggests that, as was the case with the other theories, anthropogenic warming will eventually become largely accepted throughout society. But will it come too late?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what you and Sherwood would define as &#8220;largely accepted&#8221; and what that would mean practically?  In my view the science already is &#8220;largely accepted&#8221; pretty much everywhere around the world (see TCF for data) &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of sleep... I meant to say, &quot;This post was ABOUT a fascinating article...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of sleep&#8230; I meant to say, &#8220;This post was ABOUT a fascinating article&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Yulsman</title>
		<link>http://www.cejournal.net/?p=5140&#038;cpage=1#comment-9757</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Yulsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably should not write blog posts at 2 a.m....  The words &quot;slow acceptance&quot; are admittedly not sufficiently precise. So let me try to clarify. 

Let&#039;s start with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/01/modest-rise-in-number-saying-there-is-solid-evidence-of-global-warming/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People &amp; the Press&lt;/a&gt;. It finds that acceptance of the fact that there is solid evidence for warming has grown over the past year, to 63% of those surveyed. But only 38% in that survey responded that they felt it was because of human activities. I&#039;m sure you can point to other surveys that show a higher percentage of belief in the anthropogenic nature of warming. But I don&#039;t believe any survey shows it much above 50%. I take a smidgen more reassurance in that number than some other people I know. But it doesn&#039;t come even remotely close to reflecting what the climate science community has found.

Compare public beliefs with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;97-98% of climate researchers&lt;/a&gt; most actively publishing in the field who say humans are causing warming and other climatic changes. And in the recent &lt;a href=&quot;http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/ClimateBeliefsMay2011.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate Change in the American Mind survey&lt;/a&gt;, just 13% of respondents knew just how overwhelming that consensus is among climate scientists. 

So rather than saying acceptance of AGW among the public has been &quot;slow,&quot; maybe I should have said that there remains a fairly large mismatch between what the public thinks about anthropogenic climate change and what climate scientists think. Also, that mismatch has persisted for many years. Let&#039;s chalk it up to writing at 2 a.m.

Of course, this doesn&#039;t say much about the lack of policy action. I am not arguing that the percentage of Americans who believe that anthropogenic climate change is real and significant must rise before we can get meaningful action. (Although don&#039;t you think it would help?) This post was a fascinating article that describes a number of historical precedents — heliocentrism and relativity — to explain why major scientific paradigm shifts take a long time, and frequently involve vituperative debate and attacks on scientists. 

So Roger, do you take exception with the general thrust of the article? Or with some of the particulars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably should not write blog posts at 2 a.m&#8230;.  The words &#8220;slow acceptance&#8221; are admittedly not sufficiently precise. So let me try to clarify. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with a <a href="http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/01/modest-rise-in-number-saying-there-is-solid-evidence-of-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People &#038; the Press</a>. It finds that acceptance of the fact that there is solid evidence for warming has grown over the past year, to 63% of those surveyed. But only 38% in that survey responded that they felt it was because of human activities. I&#8217;m sure you can point to other surveys that show a higher percentage of belief in the anthropogenic nature of warming. But I don&#8217;t believe any survey shows it much above 50%. I take a smidgen more reassurance in that number than some other people I know. But it doesn&#8217;t come even remotely close to reflecting what the climate science community has found.</p>
<p>Compare public beliefs with the <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">97-98% of climate researchers</a> most actively publishing in the field who say humans are causing warming and other climatic changes. And in the recent <a href="http://environment.yale.edu/climate/files/ClimateBeliefsMay2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">Climate Change in the American Mind survey</a>, just 13% of respondents knew just how overwhelming that consensus is among climate scientists. </p>
<p>So rather than saying acceptance of AGW among the public has been &#8220;slow,&#8221; maybe I should have said that there remains a fairly large mismatch between what the public thinks about anthropogenic climate change and what climate scientists think. Also, that mismatch has persisted for many years. Let&#8217;s chalk it up to writing at 2 a.m.</p>
<p>Of course, this doesn&#8217;t say much about the lack of policy action. I am not arguing that the percentage of Americans who believe that anthropogenic climate change is real and significant must rise before we can get meaningful action. (Although don&#8217;t you think it would help?) This post was a fascinating article that describes a number of historical precedents — heliocentrism and relativity — to explain why major scientific paradigm shifts take a long time, and frequently involve vituperative debate and attacks on scientists. </p>
<p>So Roger, do you take exception with the general thrust of the article? Or with some of the particulars?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pielke Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back!

Question for you, can you substantiate this statement with data?

&quot;the slow acceptance of anthropogenic climate change by the public&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back!</p>
<p>Question for you, can you substantiate this statement with data?</p>
<p>&#8220;the slow acceptance of anthropogenic climate change by the public&#8221;</p>
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